Java classes start soon. I've thought about downloading the developer kit and messing around with 'Hello World' type shit, but it's something around 30 meg if I remember correctly. That's a bit of strain for my current browsing habits. The download limit never seemed that restrictive when all I did was stare at scrolling text all day hitting up and enter. As you do with MUDs. But since I quit, I've spent time actually exploring the internet, which Cat can attest to by the stupid links I send him daily. I think I have the developer kit on a cover disc somewhere. But my cdrom can't read those. I betcha there's a fucking a Indian god laughing at me somewhere in time and/or space.